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whiskey or vodka cocktails?
#1
I'm for whiskey. The Manhattan is a fine drink. It's even better if you use rye whiskey. (Most drinks now made with bourbon were developed using rye whiskey.) A whiskey sour is also nice.

No vodka drinks, thanks.
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#2
KB is quite mad!

Whiskey is for drinking neat.

Vodka is by far the best mixer. From Bloody Marys to White Russians you can mix Vodka with almost anything.

My personal favorite is Vodka and Sanpellegrino citrus soda in a tall glass over ice.
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#3
First, cocktails are for people who do not like the taste of alcohol. Second, "Manhattans" are a girl drink (you want a tiny umbrella in your fizzy girldrink, mister?) and third, single-malt whisky is the only drink worthy of a true man.

Shut-up and drink! I'm toasting you all right now at quarter to 1 am with a very nice
15 year old 'Fiddich Solara Reserve. Yum!
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#4
It's whiskey that drives the PPFY's computer. I love it when mysteries are solved.
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#5
There is actually a strong case for ordering mixed drinks outside the home.

Your best bang-for-the-buck at overpriced, over-watered, under-poured places like casinos or concerts is the Long Island Iced Tea.

According to an interesting blog from a casino waitress, the LIIT is the only drink that a bartender can't use the regular 'cheats' on. I have ordered them at various venues that are notorious for tiny glasses and lots of ice and I can vouch for this.

So at home or in a good bar go for the whiskey, but if your getting your drink in a paper cup or at the penny slot machines, treat yourself to a refreshing Long Island!
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#6
I'll freely admit that only a fool would drink fine scotch mixed, but a good mixed drink is quite tasty, and is also the only true American "cuisine". I used the word whiskey rather than bourbon because I prefer rye to bourbon - it has more flavor. And a Manhattan, like a Martini, is nothing but booze, so it's hardly a girly drink. I rarely drink fine Scotch because it's too expensive.

Only sweet, girly cocktails like Cosmopolitans, etc. are for people who don't like the taste of liquor. That's why vodka cocktails have become prevalent, because you can mix it up and not taste the liquor.

So have a cocktail, it's the American way, dammit!

See "Straight Up or On the Rocks" by William Grimes for a good history of the cocktail.
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#7
I stand, quite naturally, on the same planking as The Yeti on this topic. Scotch. I've had the mixed drinks and all, but these days if I'm at a bar, I'll have a single malt on the rocks. I've pretty much given over on drinking it neat, although I'll have a nip now and again. If I'm at a low-end bar, they'll still be likely to have either Glenfiddich or Glenlivet. If given a choice betwixt, I'll go for the Glenlivet. It's not pricey, and brings back the flavour of the Highlands straight to whatever seedy establishment I'm in. For nicer establishments with a selection, if someone else is buying it's still the Glenlivet. If I'm splurging, it's on to the Talisker. Or the Dalwhinnie. Or the Oban. Or the Bowmore. Speaking of Bowmore, Trader Joe's has been selling a Bowmore 18 that's a win. The distillery bottles a 17, so it seems that either some 17's got missed for bottling, or something went wrong on a batch that was supposed to be a 21. It's a big win for under $40.
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#8
We're veering into a discussion of single malts, so I started a new thread for that:

http://brotherhoodofdoom.com/phpBB2/view...=2537#2537
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#9
I prefer blends.

They seem mellower and go better with a nice, mild cigar (Punch or Macanudo).

Bushmills, Jamesons, Teachers, Tullamore Dew etc.

My wallet like blends better also.
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#10
I always thought that Bushmills was fire water, not fine liquor. Might as well drink Jack Daniels. Of course, to be fair I have to say that the same is true of (overly praised) Highland products, notably Glenfiddich.

I'm quite fond of Platte Valley Corn Whiskey. AND it comes in a jug, which is a pleasure unto itself.
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#11
I agree, which is why I enjoy it so much.

A glass of cheap (but tasty) Irish Whiskey makes me think of village pubs, old-west saloons and winter evenings in front of a warm fire.

Single-Malts make me think of aristrocratic drawing rooms and stuffy old men talking about their victories in the day's stock trading.

I can't help it, I'm a born-and-bred working-class pirate.

But to stay on topic, I really don't care for most mixed drinks that use Whiskey.
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#12
In fact, on my latest Poconos trip, my good comrades from the TN office brought me a precious bottle of JD green label. Green label is only available in TN. It's a few bucks cheaper because they siphon it off early apparently, so it lacks that sweet TN flavor of normal Jack. What a treat!

I need a whiskey, or any liquor for that matter, to tell me it's killing me as I drink it. Otherwise, there's no check, no balance. Remember: drunk, but not off balance.

I totally agree with ED. Whiskey neat, no matter what the label. Vodka, mixed, shaken not stirred.
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#13
The only reason to drink vodka is a) if you're having dinner with Russians who'll be offended or amused if you don't or b) you're drinking as part of a "cocktail party" type crowd, where you have no interest in drinking and/or being less than your sober best but someone wants to buy you a drink or you have a free drink ticket and/or you're forced to stand there talking to pepole with whom it would take longer and/or be more difficult to explain why you're NOT having a drink than to just effing order something (can you tell I have to drink at work-related events?). In those circumstances, the perfect drink is vodka on the rocks with a twist of lemon. It lasts forever because it typically tastes just bad enough that you use it mostly for a prop. Eventually you can switch to water on the rocks with a twist of lemon for the rest of the night and no one will know the difference. You just have to make sure to keep your glass filled, so that no one tries to "freshen that up for you."
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#14
All through college, I was a huge Stoli fan. Some of the brotherhood might remember those years. I switched to single malts in grad school, after sharing an apartment with another PhD candidate who fashioned himself a gourmet. He was an excellent cook. That was in the thick of my deadhead daze, prior to becoming a pro-deadhead, so I was rather messy and used to buy gourmet mustards just to fill the tiny fridge up, just to aggravate him. He didn't drop out like me and I'm sure he's now sitting in an aristrocratic drawing rooms like a stuffy old man talking about his victories in the day's stock trading.

I still like Stoli, but I haven't had it in ages. In the last decade, I've had more maotai than stoli.
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#15
Maybe twenty years ago I go into a supermarket and get a bottle of wine. It's a big bottle, because I believe there's something to be said for quantity. At the checkout counter the checkout girl scans it and says, "Oh, is this good?" I reply, "I don't know. I just like the color."

It was a very pretty orange-red, if I recall, and I enjoyed the color very much while drinking it.

My tastes have not improved in the ensuing years.

Which I guess is my way of explaining why I haven't contributed to this or related threads -- because I have absolutely no sophistication when it comes to alcohols and liquors.

I hope this does not jeopardize my fine standing in Doom.

On a related note, I recently read a scientific study that showed that eating cheese disrupts the ability of the taste buds to distinguish between fine and cheap wines. In other words, if you're having cheese with wine, you might as well buy that big bottle of pretty-colored liquid.

As for pudding, you'll need all the sophistication a fine beverage can provide, because pudding does not muddy the senses one bit, but rather heightens one's level of consciousness.

I have seen God while eating pudding.

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