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Poseidon - Greg_phpbb3_import1 - 03-21-2006
Another Faux post. I haven't seen the movie. I know the guys who've built the sets, but that probably doesn't count.
What does count is that I've seen the trailer. Cranefly, are you with me? And it has the greatest line ever in a trailer. I'm hoping it's cut from the final film. And could somebody explain to me Wolfgang Peterson's facination with ocean movies?
The line. The boat has flipped (I hope that doesn't spoil it for anybody) The man and the woman are huddling together in the corner. I'm sure they are moments of death and the man thinks to say to the woman, "I need to hear you tell me that you love me" Great timing. I'm sure there was nothing else on the woman's mind than your insecurities. Way to go, loser.
capsize - cranefly - 03-22-2006
Lady Cranefly and I have been taking adult education classes at Stanford from Leonard Susskind, who is largely credited with String Theory. He has also done battle with Stephen Hawking for 20 years over whether black holes lose information. Interestingly, Hawking recently gave in, agreeing that they don't lose information (they just jumble it).
Anyway, Susskind has spent this semester talking about black holes, going into the math and stuff (in other words, over my head). During class, he allows you to ask questions.
Here's one I asked in Greg's honor: "If an ocean liner were to capsize near a black hole, would Shelley Winters still be dead?"
Susskind refused to answer.
Apparently there are things he is not allowed to divulge.
Yes, she would - The Queen - 03-22-2006
According to Mr. Hawking in his work, Black Holes and Baby Universes and Other Essays, "Despite the slightly flippant tone I have adopted...this work is arousing..." Honest. It's on page 116.
Therefore, very clearly and scientifically speaking, the remake should not have been made.
- El Dingo - 03-22-2006
Your teacher fights with a cripple?
That is messed up.
Spoilers Ahead - Greg_phpbb3_import1 - 05-16-2006
Guess what? The boat sinks! Who knew?
It's hard to generate interest if you already know how the movie is going to end. I guess it's a drinking game called who dies next or who has the worst line of dialogues. You'd get drunk pretty fast if you played the latter game.
All the characters are remarkably stiff and unnatural. The first fifteen moments before the wave hits are kind of funny, but they could be left over bits from the Love Boat show.
Lot's of forced tense moments. Some homages to the original. Some really bad dialogue. I'd say wait for the DVD if you need to see it, but you kind of need to see the boat getting wiped out on the big screen. And just so you know, all the big boat shots were done CGI. No actual boats were harmed during the making of this movie.
Wow! - Haggis Killer - 05-16-2006
CG? Really? Hoo-wee! Who'da thunk you could do all that with a dang computer? I mean, sheesh! Boat sinking? With all those people on it? All inside one itty bitty computer? I hope they didn't flood their desk or anything. How do they keep all that water in? Do the digital people inside have to work the wave machine themselves? How self-aware is the boat? Does it know it's going to capsize before the opening credits? I mean, did it see the original film? Is the digital Ernest Borgnine skinnier than the original? And what about the fire? Do you have to strike a digital match before the digital oil catches on fire?
Boy, howdy, but that's a danged fine bunch of pixels. At least, I reckon. I won't get within a hunnerd feet of a thee-ater playing this sinking turkey.
Why? - cranefly - 05-16-2006
Just wondering: Why? Why did they make it?
For the money, of course. It had to be. Some mighty-ups sat around snorting coke and debating how to pay for the next round, and thus was born a Poseidon retread.
But who did the math? Was the calculation based on how well "A Perfect Storm" did? Have there been other recent litmus tests?
If I had a couple hundred million bucks to invest in a movie for the purpose of profit, Poseidon wouldn't be in the top 1000.
I just don't feel the appeal. Not one bit.
Now, I do know enough about animation to know that water effects are easy to do and extremely convincing. In fact, ripples and waves in some animations are so real-like as to become distracting. Anyway, maybe some bigwig caught wind of this and thought, "Hey, let's do a whole movie of animated water effects that look real!" Okay, I'm reaching here...
It's become a cliche to ridicule the idiocy of hollywood high-ups. I don't mean to do that here. I'm really struggling to understand how people with money who want to make more money make a decision like this...
--cranefly
Ok... - Haggis Killer - 05-17-2006
Actually, water effects are extremely difficult and time consuming. To do them right, you have to to realistic physical simulations that account for scale, volume, and tons of other water dynamics. Without the math & physics, you can't make it look near realistic. So doing a movie like this requires an up front commitment of a visual effects budget - just for the water - in the millions of dollars.
Of course, if there's enough coke on the table, that's all so much chump change for Hollywood.
Just ask Greg.
If Greg really knew about coke, he'd be slimmer - Drunk Monk - 05-17-2006
Just like I like my blood sprays in samurai movies to real fluid, I like my water in sinking ships movies to be real. I want the actors to really get wet...in both situations. Nothing like dumping thousands of gallons of water into a set.
I drink Coke every day - Greg_phpbb3_import1 - 05-17-2006
And it doesn't help.
They did do water on the sets, according to the behind the scenes stuff, but it was all done against a green screen. And they did flood the sets. There is nothing like working on a water set.
So, they had the combined costs of CG water effects and sets filled with water. Despite the cleansing power of water, the film still stank.